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  • Status of the CBL Traffic-calming Project

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    September 27, 2024
    Transportation, Transit and Infrastructure
    Status of the CBL Traffic-calming Project

    In November 2023, Councillor Kavanagh’s office offered to coordinate traffic calming for Crystal Beach Lakeview. The Transportation, Infrastructure, and Planning Committee (TIP) passed the offer on to Crystal Beach Lakeview (by means of a newsletter article) and received 7 responses.

    With those responses and two months of discussion amongst ourselves, we responded to the Councillor’s offer with a list of proposed streets and some comments and suggestions (sent May 6). (Note: After hearing a loud crash one day, we added Holly Acres Road to the proposed list.)

    Back and forth with the Councillor’s Office

    Over the next few months, Barbara from the Councillor’s office worked with City staff on determining what is feasible.  Here is the email we sent to Councillor Kavanagh with the marked-up response we received June 26. (Note: the Bedale parking sign was moved further away from the intersection, and we did receive the diagrams we wanted from the LRT2 people.)

    At some point Barbara also sent us a document that explains the traffic-calming techniques available to the City. You can access this document on-line here.

    A pause…

    In July we received an email from Barbara telling us the following:

    “Councillor Kavanagh received an email from staff who did an assessment for speed on Corkstown Road, and I wanted to let you know that it qualified for Neighbourhood Traffic Calming and Temporary Traffic Calming measures.

    Staff have placed it on both lists to examine and provide suggestions for improvements to slow motorists (they found the 85th percentile for speed was well above the designated 40km/hr).

    I know you had mentioned there is some dislike for the middle of the road posts with regard to people riding bikes and sharing the space with drivers, which I can appreciate. We’re looking forward to seeing what else staff will be recommending for improvements to slow motorist speeds.

    I will be sure to let you know when we hear from them on this, but it could take some time, as the Councillor’s own list for traffic calming measures is over 50 at this point, and staff work on multiple wards at a time…”

    Opportunity for more thought on traffic calming?

    The pause gives a chance for the community to have more discussion about traffic calming in Crystal Beach Lakeview.

    It may be that things have changed. Perhaps you think that the increase in on-street parking in our neighbourhood has already lessened or will lessen the need for traffic-calming. As the city becomes denser, on-street parking will continue to grow—particularly if parking minimums (the requirement for developers to provide parking) is removed.

    Or, perhaps, you think that the driving around here is bonkers, and that too many people are speeding, phone-addicted idiots—even worse drivers since the pandemic.

    With a bit of a pause on this project, and a chance to read about the discussion so far, you have an opportunity to express your thoughts (again). Let us know if you have specific requests or ideas about traffic-calming for Crystal Beach-Lakeview.

    Where we need help specifically

    Can the community provide more specifics about the problems on Crystal Beach Drive? Is it particular intersections? Speeding concerns? Stop sign adherence?

    With respect to Ullswater, can you help us be more specific in terms of where? Between what intersections or at which intersection? What is the concern? Speeding? Failing to stop for stop signs?

    City of Ottawa, TIP Transportation Infrastructure and Planning, traffic, traffic calming
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    5 Responses to “Status of the CBL Traffic-calming Project”

    1. Rhonda Moffatt Avatar
      Rhonda Moffatt
      October 1, 2024

      As regards the crosswalk over Corkstown Road near the LRT construction, I would like to see that crosswalk clearly marked as a crossing for both pedestrians AND cyclists. The vast majority of people who use that crosswalk are cyclists, as obviously the crosswalk lines up exactly with the bicycle path on either side. Most cyclists crossing there don’t bother to turn the flashing lights on, and I don’t blame them, it’s overkill/time consuming. I am always happy to see cyclists using the bike path, instead of Corkstown itself, actually! As far as I am concerned there should have just been a stop sign installed there in the first place, instead of a flashing signal that almost nobody ever uses..

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      1. Ling-Yue Hung Avatar
        Ling-Yue Hung
        October 2, 2024

        The way the laws are is that the crosswalk is only for pedestrians and cyclists are supposed to stop and wait for traffic to clear before proceeding. It is actually illegal for a cyclist to be cycling in the crosswalk lines. Two different rules for two types of traffic (pedestrian versus cyclists) which is very confusing for the motorists as the motorist does know if the cyclist actually knows the rules so as a motorist, I always slow down in case the cyclist doesn’t stop and believing that the cross walk pertains to him. However, the ambiguity of who believes who has right of way is DANGEROUS!

        This intersection needs a cycle /pedestrian light similar to the one on Holly Acres. With a light, there is no confusion. Both cyclist and pedestrian have the same rules. There is no ambiguity as to who has the right of way. Much safer for everyone. Since COVID, the bike path is used quite a lot by both cyclists and pedestrians.

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    2. LM Avatar
      LM
      October 1, 2024

      I still find speeding to be problematic, particularly on Bedale and Crystal Beach., but honestly on all our streets. I worry about cars and buses whipping around parked cars near the curves on Crystal Beach. The long range visibility is nil and numerous times I’ve had vehicles coming towards me in the wrong lane to avoid a parked car. Most worrisome when oncoming cars (or buses!) are going too fast.

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    3. Carrie Avatar
      Carrie
      October 2, 2024

      I would like to see signs and painted lines on Corkstown just west of Crystal Beach for cars to yield to cyclists entering/exiting the bike path. The entrance is somewhat invisible to cars.

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    4. Anita Avatar
      Anita
      October 2, 2024

      I would like to see a safer alternative to the flashing pedestrian crosswalk on Corkstown near Moodie Station – One suggestion is for a stop sign and/or flashing stop light which would also serve as a traffic calming measure for the speed problem along Corkstown. The current setup is confusing and dangerous despite intended road rules which are not followed consistently. (e.g. pedestrians have the right of way and a flashing light option while cyclists have a stop sign. Some cars stop for everyone and some only stop for pedestrians.) The sharp curve has added to the risky site.

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